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You know what surprised me, Kara, was that none of the super rich, super cranky, super “I can do anything better than anybody else” billionaires out in Silicon Valley put themselves on the ballot. And if Californians aren’t that thrilled about Gavin Newsom, they are especially not that thrilled about Donald Trump. And it was very easy to say, Larry Elder is basically Trump. And it became about him, not about Gavin Newsom. Whether or not he would have, it just became this nationalized race. It’s interesting how this was where the nationalization of politics really bit back for Republicans, because this became a race about how Larry Elder was going to get rid of all Covid-related mandates, and he was going to discourage vaccination. Instead, they went with a conservative radio host in Larry Elder, who very much started out by saying that Joe Biden won the election and then backtracked, because that’s what you have to do in a conservative media ecosystem right now- not in California in conservative radio. I will never do these things that appear to annoy you. I will never go to French Laundry while you can’t go to things. One of the things I found interesting about this is that this election or this recall potentially could have been successful if Democrats were caught napping and Republicans could coalesce around someone who was like, I’m not Gavin Newsom. Like, the degree to which California conservatives have largely given up on California - as evidenced by, I think, running a conservative radio host who has said many conservative radio host things, instead of someone who is purely going to be aimed at Gavin Newsom, I think is evidence of that. So, as I wrote back in 2018 in this piece, the California Republican Party is largely an entity that exists to produce conservative/anti-liberal thought in other places. So I’m curious how you read the Republicans in this election and what California Republicans are. And I thought about that piece a lot over the past couple of weeks. Jane, when we worked at Vox, you did a great piece about the California Republican Party and what it had become. And he won by that much in part because the Republicans, to the extent they unite around anybody, united around the most terrifying possible candidate to most Californians. But I want to begin where I live in California, where the recall effort just got stomped into the ground. We’re going to talk about all kinds of different things. My son keeps coming home with a snotty nose. I’ve been getting sick now that people are doing stuff. Yeah, well, and probably they’re bringing all the germs.

It’s really bad because I’ve got 103 interviews to do in the next two days. How are you feeling, Kara? I hear you’re a little froggy over there.

First, here’s Ezra kicking off our conversation. We’ll be back next week with a regular Argument episode. And as you’ll hear, we agree on some things, but definitely not everything. Kara Swisher is the host of Sway, and Ezra Klein hosts The Ezra Klein Show. I’m joined by my fellow hosts from New York Times Opinion. Instead of a typical debate, today I’m doing a special roundtable discussion on the stuff in the news that I and my colleagues can’t stop thinking and arguing about. This week, I’m doing something a little different. Today on The Argument, do Kara Swisher, Ezra Klein and I agree on anything? Transcript How They Failed: California Republicans, Media Critics and Facebook Ezra Klein and Kara Swisher join Jane Coaston to debate recent and ongoing mistakes dominating the news.